Ricey155

No presentation and no contact after a win!!!

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Little rant played over the border in mid-May and finally, the team clicked and we won by 6 shots, it's been coming and we finally got hot putters all at the same time. 

we finished the round the I needed to get off, Steve my playing partner said I'll stay see if we might pick up GREAT. the captain then told us there's no presentation tonight guys, so off we went hoping for a prize :-) the results from previous am/am the winners had 105pts OMG so 90 points having played out of our skins and racked up -1 per hole pretty much in rain and gusty winds, I thought we had a chance. Mr Motivated Steve said we had blown it. 

So no contact, no emails for a week and then my other playing partner was miffed so he rang them to be told yes you've won, the committee needs to sort out the prizes. 

Initially, I thought what a great idea no waiting around or 3-4-5 hours to see if you've won, the club will sort it. a month on 5 phone calls later, we finally received the prize in the post today :-) phew panic over. What hassle in the end. 

Didn't realise winning was so stressful best get back to hacking about like most weeks. 

A rant shared is a rant halved, share my pain :-) 

 

I hope the next am/am is successful and less stressful 

 

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Llanymynech am/am 

A cheque arrived yesterday finally for £240 - £15 each to enter so £60 a man. Blood out of a stone.

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On 14/06/2017 at 17:59, Ricey155 said:

Llanymynech am/am 

A cheque arrived yesterday finally for £240 - £15 each to enter so £60 a man. Blood out of a stone.

A cheque?   A Cash prize? 

I might not be completely up-to-date with ALL the Rules, but isn't that a Breach of Amateur Status Rules ?  (I'm assuming you are all amateurs...)

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10 hours ago, Viper said:

A cheque?   A Cash prize? 

I might not be completely up-to-date with ALL the Rules, but isn't that a Breach of Amateur Status Rules ?  (I'm assuming you are all amateurs...)

unless there's a sweep I was led to believe separate from the competition entry. The forest of Arden pay out big cash prizes to amateurs on that basis just for info. and Staverton did years ago in their winter series 

With no presentation and a 2hr drive, I'm glad it was run that way as no chance I'll drive 4hrs to use a £60 voucher :-( 

Expenses is another route, amateurs on pga tour and european can claim certain amounts if they win a cheque I believe?

 

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7 hours ago, Ricey155 said:

unless there's a sweep I was led to believe separate from the competition entry. The forest of Arden pay out big cash prizes to amateurs on that basis just for info. and Staverton did years ago in their winter series 

With no presentation and a 2hr drive, I'm glad it was run that way as no chance I'll drive 4hrs to use a £60 voucher :-( 

Expenses is another route, amateurs on pga tour and european can claim certain amounts if they win a cheque I believe?

 

OKAY.  So you are saying that it was a sweepstake, which appears to be okay.  Provided all the cash came from players understanding it to be Sweepstake or Gambling or Wagering all is okay. 

However, you say the the FoArden pay out big cash prizes to amateurs, which must therefore have been paid-in by the golfers.  The size of the cash prize is therefore only in proportion to the size of the entry and the amount requested; FoA cannot add to the pot. Agreed?

Something else. The very last paragraph in Guidelines for Rules 3.1:

"Sweepstakes, Gambling, Wagering

Informal gambling is permitted among individual golfers or teams of golfers provided the primary purpose is the playing of the game for enjoyment, not for financial gain. Cash payments for gambling are permitted when the players know each other, participation is optional and is limited to the players, the money is advanced by the players and the amount of money involved is not generally considered to be excessive."

Note the word excessive.

 

Edited by Viper

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There's obviously a loop in the system, for instance, FOA entry is £45 and then you're asked if you would like to go in the 2's and sweep which is another £5 on top separate from the prize fund, and when paid out you get 50/50 prize and sweep. eg if it's £500 you get £250 voucher and £250 cash. 

And as you said the pro gets the full £500 if he wins. 

I've seen a number of clubs do it do I guess the club not taking the sweep (normally run by a volunteer) it's legit. 

 

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