Ricey155

Glove or no glove ??

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To wear a glove or not is a personal preference. As is taking it off to play certain shots.

In my experience many beginners get blisters if they don't wear one. then once you are used to wearing one you carry on with one.

It is the friction on your hands that cause these blisters and why a right handed golfer wears a glove on their left hand.

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On 05/01/2017 at 13:06, uncle chop chp said:

Jesus you really are a temperamental one.

Let me start by saying if you want to wear the glove wear it. If it feels better to you or provides a mental advantage then go ahead. I do agree this can make a difference to the better players, but I just ain't buying it makes any difference to an average golfer under normal conditions.

If your an average golfer (notice I dropped the bang) who takes reasonable care of his clubs and gives his grips a bit of a clean on a semi regular basis, then I don't see where the advantages are, apart from comfort and stopping you getting blisters/calyces.

There are clear exceptions to what I'm saying,  if somebody never cleans there grips then a glove I would suggest is essential just for H&S reason. If playing in wet conditions where grips will be wet, a wet weather glove is clearly going to be of great help, or in soaring heat with 90% humidity (none of which applies to us golfers in the UK) then go ahead. Or if your just a bloke that has sweaty palms, not sure I know to many people like that, then go for it.

As a matter if interest how much do you think the club slips/turns during your swing without a glove compared to with one? Could it be that you thinking about this grip thing to much is what leads you to choke the life out of it without a glove? Do you have a high swing speed that may put you outside the norm? For reference my 6 iron swing speed is circa 90mph and my Driver swing speed is 115-120mph so I have a fairly high swing speed and I feel wearing a glove doesn't have an impact for me. Do you take a particularly light grip that may put you outside the Norm?

In response to the points you have tried to make, I've tried to explain myself a little better below.

Sounds very touchy to me, so let's analyse.

 

For me anyone above a handicap of 10 is pretty average at golf. That is fundamentally about 80% of the people that play golf, the statistics are clear to see in the link below.

http://www.masterscoreboard.co.uk/SiteStats.php

I'm not quiet sure I should mention where I think the less than average golfers handicap lies, I wouldn't want to upset you anymore.

 

I have a masters in Engineering so I do appreciate the effects of drag and centrifugal force.

Rotation caused by the Drag on a club face and shaft of absolute minimal surface area will be minute compared to a club 4 degrees toe up digging into the ground at or slightly before impact. No glove in the world will stop that.

The club face is the most important thing in golf, no matter what anyone tells you. The Clubface is 80% responsible for the direction of the golf ball, path is the other 20%. Now we have a GC2 with HMT at our club and I've seen a lot of very good players, average players (again minus the bang) and bad players hit balls on there and seen there stats. The path variation between swings for all of the range of abilities never appears to be very big. The better golfers are just a lot less in/out or out/in than the bad golfers.

The clubface of the better golfers rarely changes by more than a couple of degrees where as even an average golfer like myself can have very big difference between the face angle from shot to shot, couple this with bigger variations in path and the actual face to path differences can be huge between shots. Most of which is caused by a lack of forward shaft lean and the flipping of the club by lesser(not meat to be an insult) players at impact.

Also the fact very few golfers hit the ball out of the middle every time (Again not an insult to the average golfer just fact, proved by the mass selling of huge cavity backed irons and not blades) means gear affect, and the D lane have far more affect than your glove.

All the above have significantly more affect on the consistency of the average golfer. The effects a glove would have would make minimal contribution towards fixing this.

 

I believe your the one overestimating the capacity of the human eye. Eye dominance not only affects where your pointing but can also affect the way you swing the club. Everyone has an eye dominance and I expect most have no comprehension of what it is nevermind which eye is more dominant. Combine this with angular resolution, the blind spot (particularly pertinent when using one eye, as you would on a side on view), eye dominance, the unreliability of your peripheral vision again pertinent in a side on game. The amount of people who require glasses but don't wear them, people out growing there current prescriptions, the 8% of people who colour blind, visual fatigue, reduced fields of vision with age. And so on and so on.

The human eye passes light through that's all the brain processes the images, there are a huge amount of ways this can be distorted. Half of what you see you don't see the brain fills in the blanks, so no I'm not underestimating anything.

I'd expect there may be some constancy in peoples set up, I'd suggest again 80% of golfers therefore have a consistently bad setup. Again more of an affect I expect than a glove.

 

I expect I'm already on my way to proving I've got a full appreciation of the small things, which what a lot iv discussed aren't small things. Of all the things discussed I'm still thinking the glove is the smallest.

I clean them between rounds!!! An average golf handicap in this country is 18 (Notice this the average handicap, not the benchmark for ability). With an average par of 71 sss of 69 and a 3-4 shot buffer that's likely 90-91 shot average round. At the most 15 with a driver the most critical club requiring a good grip, why would I need to clean it during the round? Where are you putting your hands between each shot? Do you casually walk the course applying bril cream or something? Or greasing your trolley wheels? I'd say the amount of time the hands spend on the club cleaning them every 3 rounds would suffice. For the irons hit maybe once a round then you could leave them all year.

 

I would expect the fact that you have a piece of rubber, the one material universally utilised to provide grip, should provide ample grip to not have to choke the life out of the club. I'd suggest the lack of mobility in a lot of golfers, fighting the hit reflex and the brain kicking in mid swing all prove more fundamental factors in swing tension than the glove. Perhaps if you lightened up a bit then you wouldn't be so tense when your golfing.

 

I'd suggest you have provided no evidence to me and not a single fact, some conjecture and regurgitation from things you may have read or heard along the way. I'm not stating my thoughts here as fact they are opinion, based on what I believe to be reasonable theories. You state what you say is fact which suggests to me that you seem to hold your opinion way to highly. 

Lead me to any water body you desire, just don't expect me to drink the crap your serving, just because you say its fact.

 

 

Jesus YOU really are a temperamental one.

Throwing qualifications around is no good if your adversary has them too.  I am qualified in physics, aeronautics, and engineering.

You've had enough evidence. I'm not going to waste any more time if you won't listen, and it's all just your opinion as well.

To quote you back, just don't expect me to drink the crap YOUR serving, just because you say its fact.

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Posted (edited)

Bloody hell, you've been dwelling on that.

 

An aeronauticaly qualified person who thinks air drag on a shaft is going to twist the club in your hands, let me know what aircraft you designed and I'll stay well clear.

I couldn't care less to be honest, i won't be on here anymore numpties like you and your arsey way means this forum is dead as a dodo at any rate.

Good old John petit looks like a real people person compared to you.

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Mis-quoting me does not win an argument any more than being a foul and abusive.  

What I actually said was  " In fact, the movement is only ever to open he face as centrifugal force, drag and impact reaction all act in that sense."  Three forces, all to varying degrees, but sum to produce a total effect.

Grow up.

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I've started wearing a glove last few weeks and believe it or not my blisters have returned WOW.

It's not helping me shoot under 80 either :-(

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